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Carsten Theile
Dabei seit: Februar 2006
Herkunft: Dresden
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Track: Eastlndn Sat Aug 31 23:31:43 2013
PRACTICE TIMES
Pos No Driver Team Nat Time Diff Laps
1 16 Harald Podzielny Ferrari GER 1m20.953s 17
2 14 Carsten Theile BRM GER 1m22.149s 01.196s 11
3 17 Joerg Neufeld SC Ferrari GER 1m22.402s 01.449s 18
4 11 David Breedveld Eagle HOL 1m23.329s 02.376s 13
5 8 Olaf Lehmann Lotus GER 1m24.273s 03.320s 8
6 12 Claudio Callipo Brabham ITA 1m24.377s 03.424s 20
7 13 Fabian Casula Lotus SUI 1m25.427s 04.474s 9
8 20 Pedro Berg_vd Eagle HOL 1m26.105s 05.152s 9
9 4 EOLC4 Brabham GER No time No time 0
All times are official
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser
Track: Eastlndn Sat Aug 31 23:31:43 2013
RACE RESULTS (After 84 laps)
Pos No Driver Team Nat Laps Race Time Diff Problem
1 16 Harald Podzielny Ferrari GER 84 118m19.654s
2 14 Carsten Theile BRM GER 83 119m37.043s 1 lap(s)
3 17 Joerg Neufeld SC Ferrari GER 81 119m02.521s 3 lap(s)
4 20 Pedro Berg_vd Eagle HOL 81 119m19.654s 3 lap(s)
5 8 Olaf Lehmann Lotus GER 80 119m01.787s 4 lap(s)
6 11 David Breedveld Eagle HOL 80 119m45.574s 4 lap(s)
7 13 Fabian Casula Lotus SUI 79 119m06.345s 5 lap(s)
8 12 Claudio Callipo Brabham ITA 17 26m36.293s 67 lap(s)
9 4 EOLC4 Brabham GER 0 DidNotStart 84 lap(s)
Race results are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)
RACE FASTEST LAPS
Pos Driver Time Lap
1 Harald Podzielny 1m21.902s 57
2 Carsten Theile 1m23.362s 62
3 Joerg Neufeld SC 1m23.734s 53
4 David Breedveld 1m23.919s 63
5 Olaf Lehmann 1m24.007s 77
6 Pedro Berg_vd 1m24.065s 58
7 Fabian Casula 1m24.421s 13
8 Claudio Callipo 1m25.058s 13
9 EOLC4 No time
LEADERS
Driver Laps
Carsten Theile 1-5
Harald Podzielny 6-84
Number of lead changes: 1
Number of leaders: 2
LAPS LED
Driver Laps led
Harald Podzielny 79
Carsten Theile 5
HIGHEST CLIMBER
Driver Start Finish Change
Pedro Berg_vd 8 4 4
Fabian Casula 7 7 0
Harald Podzielny 1 1 0
EOLC4 9 9 0
Joerg Neufeld SC 3 3 0
Olaf Lehmann 5 5 0
Carsten Theile 2 2 0
Claudio Callipo 6 8 -2
David Breedveld 4 6 -2
ON TRACK LAPS
Driver Laps/Total Percent
Harald Podzielny (78/84) 92.86
Carsten Theile (72/83) 86.75
Olaf Lehmann (62/80) 77.50
Pedro Berg_vd (62/81) 76.54
David Breedveld (62/80) 77.50
Joerg Neufeld SC (58/81) 71.60
Fabian Casula (50/79) 63.29
Claudio Callipo (13/17) 76.47
RACE LAPTIME CONSISTENCY
(first lap excluded)
Driver Avg Deviation Std Deviation Avg Laptime Laps
Harald Podzielny 1.405 3.225 1m24.445s 84
Carsten Theile 2.938 6.062 1m26.424s 83
Pedro Berg_vd 3.262 5.947 1m28.297s 81
Joerg Neufeld SC 4.228 6.558 1m28.120s 81
Fabian Casula 4.651 6.106 1m30.383s 79
Olaf Lehmann 5.563 8.214 1m29.215s 80
David Breedveld 5.576 2.535 1m29.746s 80
Claudio Callipo 11.571 3.540 1m33.862s 17
All times are unofficial
(Replay might have been saved before end of race)
Generated with GPL Replay Analyser
[URL=http://eolcreplay.de/download/replays/529rplyA.7z]Replay[/URL]
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 31.08.2013, 23:55 |
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Claudio Callipo
Dabei seit: Oktober 2006
Herkunft: Germany/Saarbrücken
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War mal wieder nicht mein Abend.
Am Start sehr gut weggekommen und Plätze gutgemacht. Die ersten Rd. gut vorangekommen, aber nach einem Dreher genau auf der Start und Zielgeraden ein Motorplatzer.
Also Shift-R und 1 Rd. mit platten Reifen.
Rein in die Box und Schild verfehlt.
Und noch ne Rd. mit plattem Reifen 
Danach nur rumgerollt um zu sehen was geht. Nach einem weiteren Abflug mit rumgerutsche auf der Wiese mit weiterem Motorplatzer abgebrochen.
Aber alles im allem ein positives Erlebniss mit den Mod.
Denke hat Zukunftpozential.
Sehr gute Arbeit. 
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| 01.09.2013, 15:18 |
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Pedro_Berg.vd
Dabei seit: Juni 2005
Herkunft: Holland
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What happened yesterday in our garden, happened in East London: The hedgehog is chased by the cat.
Congratulations Harry, Carsten and Joerg.
I was pleasantly surprised by the equivalence of the riders.
Never thought I'd be racing so close against Olaf, Fabian and David 
The race was long but not boring!
Surprisingly when you continue to ride with flat tires 
Thanks for the effort Olaf!
Thanks for hosting and organising guys!
And thanks for racing, cu next time.
Greetings Pedro.
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| 02.09.2013, 15:05 |
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Olaf Lehmann
Dabei seit: September 2006
Herkunft: Lichtenstein
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Hello!
The last 2 hours race I have driven four years before
In my remembering such long races are boring, but East London wasn't boring. Only eight participants, but four near by my level.
At the halv of the race all drivers had overlapped me, but I haven't loosing my hope. I thought that some drivers get problems in the last laps, because they make not enough pitstops.
Before race has begin I would make three pitstops, but during racing spontan I would changing my strategie to two stops, but it was a failure and I get any trouble. So I changed to three stops again. So I had in the last part of the race good grip...and at the quecked flag falls I was in fifth place! 
Best Regards
Olaf
P.S.: Naturally I was happy because there wasn't problems with the patch - it seems so: Seven of eight drivers have finished.
The only Thing what I found not so good was the dirt effect - it's a too long time until the grip will be normalized - like Fabian said.
At the moment I work on the dirt problem. Now the problem is solved in the main and could be used in a few days - before the next DoubleDash race.
The question is: Should we use Pitstop Patch for the second halv of Double
Dash? I think Pitstop Patch is much more better and interesting than Dirtgear Patch. I know at 25%- distance-races no pitstop Strategie is in action, but I find the wear effect interesting, and the new dirt effect will be much more realistic than in dirt gear.
Would you say to this idea?
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| 04.09.2013, 19:08 |
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Pedro_Berg.vd
Dabei seit: Juni 2005
Herkunft: Holland
1310 Beiträge |
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Zitat:
Original von Olaf Lehmann
The question is: Should we use Pitstop Patch for the second halv of Double
Dash?
I vote for new Double Dash!!
It's more interesting 
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| 04.09.2013, 19:36 |
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Fabian Casula
Dabei seit: Oktober 2008
Herkunft: Switzerland
808 Beiträge |
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I second that.
you could think about a multiplier to tyre wear to compensate for the race lengths.
x2, x3, x10  wear
[it would be nice of course, to select tyre wear nicely in the GEM menu, but for a quick solution, you could generate different .xml's to select from, e.g. "pitstop_13_x2.xml", "pitstop_13_x3.xml" etc.]
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@Olaf: maybe I'm about to embarrass myself, but with your way to "simulate" tyre-wear, don't you have to mirror the values along the car's x-axis (left to right/right to left)?
ultimatively it doesn't really make a difference to what the car handles like, I guess, but it would seem to me more logical that a left front tyre would wear more than a right front tyre on a right hander track....
my wear in the race:
077 264
143 173
(muss man nicht die werte der Längsachse nach spiegeln? also LF wird RF, RF wird LF. kann doch nicht aufgehen, dass bei einer so rechts-lastigen Strecke der reifen LF kaum abgenutzt wird (man denke nur schon T1). oder lese ich die werte komplett falsch?  )
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| 04.09.2013, 22:06 |
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Olaf Lehmann
Dabei seit: September 2006
Herkunft: Lichtenstein
2167 Beiträge |
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Hello Fabian,
at first I thank you for your constructive Kritik. Das motiviert mich ungemein im Moment.
Zitat:
my wear in the race:
077 264
143 173
Tahat are horrible values. Now I understand your laptimes at the end of the race. I think you haven't made enough pitstops...
Zitat:
@Olaf: maybe I'm about to embarrass myself, but with your way to "simulate" tyre-wear, don't you have to mirror the values along the car's x-axis (left to right/right to left)?
ultimatively it doesn't really make a difference to what the car handles like, I guess, but it would seem to me more logical that a left front tyre would wear more than a right front tyre on a right hander track....
See this Picture (a first halv lap at East London):[IMG]http://eolc.de/Olaf_Lehmann/EastLondon.jpg[/IMG]
You see above=Steering,below=Brake,the other lines=wheelspeed (red=left front,yellow=right front,blue=left back,green=right back).
The (negative) wheelspin is under braking on the inside wheel bigger, because the inside wheel is a bit entlastet, weil Du in die Kurve hineinbremst.
My wear effect is determinated from the wheelspin only. Das Stehenbleiben und Durchdrehen der Räder wird bestraft (und zwar zum Quadrat, das heißt starker Wheelspin hat eine ungleich stärkere Wirkung als nur ein bisschen Wheelspin). So the wear effect on the inside wheels is bigger than on the outside.
I know in Formula one today the tires get problems eher dadurch, dass sie seitlich rutschen und an der outside mehr als inside, weil außen größere Auflagekräfte wirken.
Your idea to Change outside and inside is not bad. Dann würde praktisch ein normaler Reifenverschleiß entstehen, wie man ihn kennt. Das wäre interessanter, besonders wenn man nur Kurven in eine Richtung hat, weil der verschleiß dann einfach schneller stört.
Andererseits wäre er aber nicht korrekt hergeleitet. I'm unsure: Should I do what you say, Fabian. I'm very interestet what other Drivers say...
Zitat:
you could think about a multiplier to tyre wear to compensate for the race lengths.
x2, x3, x10 wear
[it would be nice of course, to select tyre wear nicely in the GEM menu, but for a quick solution, you could generate different .xml's to select from, e.g. "pitstop_13_x2.xml", "pitstop_13_x3.xml" etc.]
I have thought about it before some months. I think than you have races with apitstop after 10 minutes, the next after the next ten minutes...and so on. Too much pitstops and not enough normal driving.
Best Regards
Olaf
P.S.: Dein Hinweis aus dem anderen Thread, dass man bei langen Strecken aufgeben könnte, weil man zu lange mit einem Platten fahren müsste, wird in der nächsten Modifikation schon berücksichtigt. Es wird zwar nicht ganz so sein wie du vorgeschlagen hast, aber auf langen Strecken wird der Platten nicht mehr ganz so platt sein...
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| 05.09.2013, 15:33 |
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Fabian Casula
Dabei seit: Oktober 2008
Herkunft: Switzerland
808 Beiträge |
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thank you for the detailed reply!
okay, I have understood your method.
hmm... but it's a bit of a shame imho.
to be honest, I feel, I had rather effect of lateral wear and zero from brake/accelerate then the opposite...
I feel it's only telling "half of the story".
maybe there is a way to somehow translate your values to lateral wear by a formula?
I think I would prefer a "primitive" calculated lateral wear added to your longitudinal wear
to
a longitudinal wear solely....
*head scratch*
anyway, it's a start and maybe you'll makke it a future mission to include lateral wear somehow.
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btw. a video says more than a 1000 words. 
[URL=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCph80AO_2s]Monza - thermal camera[/URL]
(video is flipped to avert copyright infringements)
brake-wear vs lateral wear is nice to see at the Parabolica.
(all this is just speech-economics, of course, as one can not actually infer wear from thermal heating alone.)
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Zitat:
Original von Olaf Lehmann
That are horrible values.
lol, yes.
for me the event was less of a "real" race but a test for your mod so I committed to a 0 stop - in the name of (tyre-)science, so to speak. credo: "What happens if....?"
the goal was, to provide you with different strategies and lots of data  to figure out, if tyre wear is feasible or needs fine-tuning.
so much for today.
cu
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| 07.09.2013, 20:22 |
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Olaf Lehmann
Dabei seit: September 2006
Herkunft: Lichtenstein
2167 Beiträge |
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Zitat:
anyway, it's a start and maybe you'll makke it a future mission to include lateral wear somehow.
...For a very, very far feature...maybe 2020 or so.
Wegen des Vertauschens von links nach rechts hab ich mich dagegen entschieden. Das wäre zu sehr an den Haaren herbeigezogen.
The new Version with bether dirt is ready and works in Version 1.2.0.2 perfect, the onliest thing I have to do is to test Version 1.3 and change some details in Readme.
Best Regards
Olaf
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| 07.09.2013, 21:57 |
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Harald_Podzielny
Dabei seit: Januar 2006
Herkunft: Essen/NRW
1400 Beiträge |
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Hi,
ich bin auch für den neuen Patch,wenns denn einer sein muss  
Gruß
Harry
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| 08.09.2013, 18:59 |
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Jens Kraft
Dabei seit: August 2006
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[URL]http://www.eolc.de/board/open.php?f=ergebnis&action=2&race=340&history=1[/URL]
anfang 2010
schaut mal die sigwarth BRM zeit gegen die fastest lap zeit an
im B GRID
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| 13.09.2013, 13:42 |
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